Using Jami from China

Thank you @terrytw , that now is truly interesting !

Most Chinese users are behind NAT, which means that once the TURN.jami.net server is blocked, most Chinese users cannot use Jami.
And the GFW can not only block this TURN server, but also the entire TURN protocol to block all overseas TURN servers. Just as they have banned all the overseas proxy servers by blocking the protocols.
Available IPv4 is scarce, and it is difficult for personal use to apply to the ISPs.
When IPv6 becomes popular in a few years, NAT may not be needed.

@CrazyBoyFeng , I think not all services in Jami require TURN, and also (see earlier in this post) I understand that once you “initialized” once your Jami instance, connecting to a neighbor for instance, then you don’t necessarily need TURN. But I must say I didn’t test this…

Not all services in Jami require TURN, but as I said, Most Chinese users are behind NAT.

This post and official blog both claim that two users behind NAT need to communicate through TURN.

As much as we like to say that Jami is completely without server, sometimes it is not exactly right as we have seen. However, TURN is the perfect compromise for situations where a fully peer-to-peer connection is not possible

And terrytw also raised the issue.

In my own test, if the two clients behind NAT are set to no TURN, they cannot communicate. However, maybe my test is wrong. Hope to be verified by others.

@CrazyBoyFeng did you try Briar in the same context, by any chance?

Briar works well via bluetooth and wlan. But when chatting remotely, it connects via tor. Almost all public nodes and bridges of tor are blocked. If there are nodes that are not blocked, it must be because they are too new. So it is often difficult to chat remotely with Briar. It is more suitable for use when crowds gather.
With the popularity of IPv6, software such as jami and tox will become more usable.

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Thanks @CrazyBoyFeng -that’s the first time I see a meaningfule argument in favor of IPv6!
Don’t you fear that in the same ‘constrained’ environment, also IPv6 could be just blocked too?

Maybe blocking bootstrap.jami.net will cause a little trouble. However, everyone can run their own bootstrap nodes if they have public IP(v6).
In extreme cases, ISPs may also block ports and even protocols, making it impossible for everyone to connect. But I think this is not something Jami should deal with. Software like Jami is not originally used to resist censorship. It only needs to achieve its original design purpose, decentralization, which is enough to do a lot of things.

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If ipv6 addresses are randomised will Jami users still be able to connect to each other?

The DHT network is used to query the IP of the ID. As long as it is connected to the DHT network and can exchange data between nodes, then there is no need to worry about IP changes.
Unless your node is used as a bootstrap node, others must connect to you before they can connect to the DHT network. If your IP changes and you are not using DDNS, then others will not be able to connect to the DHT network. They either change to another bootstrap node, or need you to tell them the current IP in other ways.